The Greater Good: Session 1

MODERATOR PANELISTS
G. Anthony GorryProfessor of Computer Science at Rice University and Professor of Neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine |
Session 1ModeratorLynne Soraya
One day, I picked up my smartphone and popped Twitter open. Two
tweets about empathy caught my eye, one stacked on top of the other. The first
text discussed how people with autism lack empathy. The second read, “Rats
have empathy, study finds.” PANELISTMeghan FalveyI agree that empathy is a slippery concept and one that gets used in sometimes confounding ways. A favorite example is the headline I saw on a CNBC post a few years ago, which read: "Is Your Empathy Killing Your Career?" I kept imagining the questions on the inevitable quiz. PANELISTG. Anthony GorryTwo hundred years ago, Adam Smith spoke of our "fellow feeling," which stirs "pity for the sorrowful, anguish for the miserable, joy for the successful.” This reaction to others, which we now generally call empathy, emerged countless years ago as natural selection forged our remarkable human sociability, our nuanced involvement with one another. Recently, neuroscientists have identified emotional centers in our brains that engender empathy, that make us exquisitely sensitive to the observed joy, pain or suffering of others. Hundreds of thousands of years removed from the savannah, we still instinctively wince seeing another's hand struck by a hammer; tilt our own bodies, watching another teetering on a balance; gag, seeing someone else eat something disgusting; choke up, recognizing suffering in another. We respond not only to gross actions but also to the twitch of an eye, tremor of a hand, tensing of a leg, even the dilation of a pupil—all subtle indicators of the intent of the brain within the body observed. PANELISTPeggy MasonFundamental to all definitions of empathy is communication of an emotional or affective state between individuals. The eminent primatologist Frans de Waal considers being affected by another’s emotional state as a primitive form of empathy, which I believe is a useful starting point. Such social communication of affect need not be conscious and typically is not. Rather than rely on “higher order reasoning,” basic forms of empathy depend on neural pathways that are shared with other mammals. Passing a person who cheerfully smiles at us makes us feel happier and more likely to smile. We don’t reason through this process; it just happens. Such affective resonance is essential social communication that “works” in any culture independent of words, explanations, or abstract thought. These automatic emotional responses serve as social glue, biasing a group of individuals toward emotional consensus. Comments
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ictus75 wrote :
Crikey, not the old "autistics don't really have empathy" thing again. I don't understand how anyone can determine that rats have empathy (LOL) and autistics don't. As an Aspie, I know that I have empathy. I just don't "wear it on my sleeve" like so many NTs do. I have empathy for my wife, my kids, my pets, and others around me. In fact, like many Aspie things, I probably have too much empathy! Because of this, I have learned how to put a lid on it (like many other emotional things) so it doesn't overwhelm me.
You want to know about empathy in Autistics? ASK US! I have too much empathy--I stopped watching the news because it affected me too much. I often have to abandon books or films because I "feel" too much for characters who are in trouble/danger, or who are in a very embarrassing situation. I don't want to hear about the little girl down the street who has cancer and will die soon, not because I don't care, but because I will take it all in and be consumed by the sadness of it. Yeah, I have lots of empathy, but I have built walls to protect myself from this and other emotions. Welcome to my world. You want to know about empathy? Just ask me . . .
ictus75
posted on 09/25/12
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Jeannie Rivera (Aspie Writer) wrote :
Hello,
I would have liked to see the panelist address empathy in autistics directly. It appears that we have skirted around the issue, and even by the definitions, explanations, and opinions offered here, those on the autism spectrum display a large degree of empathy. In my opinion, autistics may have more empathy than the general population; you just may not recognize it. I am the author of a blog about the life of a writer on the autism spectrum. I have Asperger's Syndrome (AS). My thirteen-year-old son very likely has Asperger’s as well, although we are still waiting for an "official" diagnosis. Within the past week the subject of empathy has come up several times. My 13-year-old took the initiative to get out of bed and take care of his baby brother because he was concerned that Mom was tired and had not had enough sleep. I wrote about my son's actions, and a commenter mentioned his "empathy." My son's actions, and the commenter's words, lead me to begin to think about empathy in autistics, and spurred another post. I have examined the definition of empathy and clearly outlined exactly how empathy is displayed in autistic people, or rather how I experience empathy. I was astounded that over the past few days I've received consistent feedback from others in the autism community who conveyed that they felt the exact same way. We continually search and seek out others who are like ourselves, scour the internet for articles and blogs by those who we can relate to, and feel-—possibly too intensely at times--the emotional energy of the people around us. How is it then possible that we lack empathy? We do not. We actively seek situations in which we can empathize with others. We feel alone, so we look for others like us, to see our own reflections; we crave empathy.
Jeannie Rivera (Aspie Writer)
posted on 09/25/12
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David Cameron Staples wrote :
Thinking on these comments further, it seems that in all three statements, empathy is stated to be this strange nebulous thing which we don't know what it is, but we know that autists don't have it.
Even when the "definitions" being used are only self contradictory as a result of not thinking about empathy as a collection of related skills, but as one fungible thing. To Ms Falvey's argument: it is only self-contradictory if there is one atomic thing called empathy. It makes perfect sense, however, if you split off the functions. It is important in business to make people feel good, which requires the skill of reading their emotions, and the skill of presenting the appropriate response as required. Actually feeling empathy with someone else, on the other hand, actually feeling bad if someone else has something bad happen to them, is actively a hindrance because it might make you stay your hand against a competitor or rival. Or, in other words, you have to either be, or make a good impression of being, a psychopath to succeed in business. Suddenly, there is no more paradox. "Sincerity," as the saying goes, "once you can fake that, you've got it made." Autists find it very hard to fake sincerity. It's practically a defining characteristic. Professors Gorry and Mason have actually upset me with their arguments, which both amount to the same thing: * Empathy is what makes us human. * Autists may have "apparent concern", but this is merely a "neural circuit." The logical conclusion is disturbingly obvious. The response is, of course, to ask how you know that nonautistic people "actually feel" empathy, or is that also merely an apparent condition resulting from a "neural circuit"? How do you know that autistic people don't really feel pain at another person's pain? Have you asked any? And, again, the traits which are picked out of the nebulous thing called empathy are those which are to do with reading other people's emotions, and presenting appropriately. What one actually experiences is irrelevant, or at least skipped over. So, again, those parts of Empathy which are valorised are those which can superficially be presented by the worst of psychopaths, while the experience of suffering vicariously (which is at the etymological root of "empathy"--Greek "ein pathos," "one feeling"--and "sympathy"--"syn pathos," "united feeling"--both) is either ignored, or explicitly denied. In Prof. Gorry's case by denying that autists have any such feelings, and in Prof. Mason's case by making that strength of feeling itself evidence against having empathy as humans know it, by positing "empathic helping" as some new trait which autists don't have. In all cases, the panelists have valorised empathic skills which are displayed by psychopaths, while using slippery "definitions" of empathy which excludes it from autists by definition, and at the same time praising how empathy is what makes us human.
David Cameron Staples
posted on 09/25/12
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Tammy Kacmarynski wrote :
First I would like to say how grateful I am that this conversation is occurring. I have Asperger's Syndrome myself, and the most difficult aspect I had with excepting this was the "expert's" belief that someone with autism lacked empathy. I completely and absolutely disagree with this "theory." My hope is this conversation will open a dialog and a true conversation, specifically with people with autism, as how will the truth ever be discovered if we don't begin at the source.
I found Ms. Falvey's statements very interesting and enlightening. I had never contemplated self-centeredness may be at play with empathy, nor that one could use empathy to gauge their self. I do not have any first-hand experiences with this and I won't pretend that I know this to be true or not. Mr. Gorry also provided an interesting perspective with two interesting points. The first was his statement “been taught to adopt the perspectives of others—to make their concerns our own and to react as they do” and I wonder if that might be the problem in relation to the lack of understanding between neurotypicals and autistics. I personally have had much difficulty but I believe that this is based in the fact that I have never been understood. How could I trust what I was being told as being factual, if my 'teachers' (meaning parents, friends, teachers, etc...) were completely unaware and often incorrect with their assumptions about me. The second statement of interest to me, was “impediments to action—the feeling, for example, that one can do nothing for the person in need—can stifle empathetic response.“ If there is an emergency where quick choices must be made and I am familiar with what needs to be done (meaning I have the skill set needed, whether it is to call 911 or to intervene), I am absolutely the type of person someone would want to assist. I have been described as bold and fearless and while these terms are complimentary, they are less than accurate. In the moment of crisis I do not have an emotional response but fear not, I will experience the effects. Unfortunately, I am unable to determine exactly when those reactions will occur. I have learned that I need to be proactive with my emotions and I have developed a self-care system to ensure that I will not suddenly "shut down" as a result. What Ms. Mason stated provoked an immediate response in me, I knew some of her views were based in an inaccuracy. “Passing a person who cheerfully smiles at us makes us feel happier and more likely to smile. We don’t reason through this process; it just happens.” Wow, I was actually shocked to read this, as I cannot stress enough, how incorrect this is, at least for people with autism. I absolutely reason through these typical everyday events, at least until I have learned the context of the smile. I reason through every interaction with another person, unless and until, I have obtained sufficient knowledge that assures that I am understanding what is occurring. When I was younger and someone smiled at me, my first assumption was this may be a threat, which is far from what would cause me to feel happy. I am extremely aware of the details when I am interacting with another person and if I am unsure or unsettled about the conversation, I will 'play' it back often. Before I was aware that I had Asperger's, this caused a great deal of problems, as I had a very limited "social skills" and would often interject incorrect assumptions. A great example is when someone is lying. There words are clear but yet their body language, the tone of their voice, and their facial expressions are obviously not matching up. I would never had assumed that they were lying but I was very aware that something was not right. These type of inconsistencies occur often and EVERY single one of these events meant hours or days of contemplation, which rarely, if ever provided the answers I was seeking. When Ms. Mason goes on to say, “What we all want to see is empathic concern, an other-oriented emotional response elicited by and congruent with the perceived welfare of an individual in distress,” I completely agree, but yet I am confused because that is exactly how I operate and I am told that I "lack empathy." Which is it: do I lack empathy or am I what people really want to see as empathic concern? (Not meaning this comment towards Ms. Mason but in the general sense against the "lack of empathy argument.") Once again, I want to applaud the panelists, the moderator Lynne Soraya, and the Guggenheim Museum for opening the dialogue on empathy.
Tammy Kacmarynski
posted on 09/24/12
... David Cameron Staples wrote :
I think at least part of the problem is that everyone seems to just know what empathy is (or isn't), and no one's concept of it seems to agree, except that it's a quality that autists and psychopaths don't have.
Which means that 1. everyone's talking at cross-purposes, and 2. whenever an autist shows that they are distressed by someone else's pain, or a psychopath is suave and charming, it's not a display of empathy by definition. In my personal model of the concept, there are three main aspects of empathy, and for lack of any predefined useful terms I call them cognitive, affective and demonstrative. Cognitive empathy is the ability to recognise the feelings of another. The ability to see someone else smile and recognise it for a sign of happiness, or to see it as forced and hiding distress. To see tears and recognise tears of grief or tears of joy. This is, for most people, an instinctive skill requiring little thought. Demonstrative empathy would be the ability to display emotions such that others can recognise it. Both blunted affect and labile affect would count here, in so far as there is a disconnect between the display and the experienced emotion. This is also an instinctive skill for most people, although the profession of acting requires that it can be trained. The last is affective empathy: the internal experience of empathy. The personal feeling of distress at another's pain, of happiness at their joy. (I use "affect" because the usage in the literature seems to be one of those "I know it when I see it" definitions. Sometimes it describes the display of emotion, sometimes the experience, sometimes both as if they were the same thing.) I submit that autists have a greater than usual affective empathy, but deficits in cognitive and demonstrative. Thus the actions of DJ mentioned above show that when he becomes aware that someone else is in pain (which may not necessarily be obvious to him), he experiences a desire to lessen that person's pain, and attempts to help. What counts as helping for an autist will not necessarily look like a neurotypical person's instinctive response, but that does not mean that the impelling feeling is not the same, or even greater. Peggy Mason's penultimate paragraph describes this thesis very well, although as someone with Asperger's, I take issue with "Maybe some individuals with autism are in fact empathic." "Maybe"? "some"? Have you asked any? By contrast, psychopaths are famously charming, when they want to be. They, under this analysis, have good cognitive and demonstrative empathy: they can read people like a book and display the appropriate emotion to put someone at ease, but they don't have an adequate affective response: they don't care about the other person, and that other person's pain does not impel a need to fix it. But even if my pet model isn't sufficiently useful, I posit that it's still better than the vague and ill-defined use of the term "empathy" to describe anything and everything to do with the concept as a big nebulous, opaque and unanalysable thing, which changes functional definition in the middle of a sentence to include or exclude whatever has been predetermined to have or not have that quality.
David Cameron Staples
posted on 09/24/12
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Empathy for me differs from sympathy. Sympathy tends to imply understanding of another's experience, while empathy seems to imply feeling what the other person feels. These aren't scientific definitions, just some basic semantics (and I do agree that better definition and operationalization of this construct is severely lacking in a concept that seems to be so key to autism research and diagnostics).
For me to truly empathize with another, I need to have had a similar experience and a great deal of understanding of what they are feeling. I have to have the same emotional language.
Since I spend much of my life navigating scripts, analyzing body language, word choice and scanning faces for meaning--on top of managing my own sensory overload issues--I find that my emotional understanding and experience is stunted or dulled compared to other adults my age.
This doesn't mean that I'm incapable of feeling, just that I often have to put feelings on a mental backburner just to get through my day. They have to be processed and expressed when I am not extended to my cognitive and physical limit. Unfortunately, this means they generally aren't available for action or interaction in the heat of the moment, as they seem to be with NTs.
This results in some things that NTs might find odd: flat affect (not letting on and maybe not even acknowledging to myself how intense my feelings might be), concentration on task in emotional situations, and possibly even the apparent lack of understanding. I've learned that this is more of a capacity issue than anything else. Secondarily, all that accumulated time shoving emotion aside to get through the business of living has left me stunted due to lack of practice and connection with some things.
Not broken and unempathetic, just having a bottleneck issue.